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T-2233-90
Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunica tions Commission ("CRTC") and Brien Rodger (Applicants)
v.
Daniel A. Soberman, Carol Joan Block, Joseph A. Sanders, sitting as a Human Rights Tribunal, Richard Deegan, the complainant, and Canadian Human Rights Commission (Respondents)
INDEXED AS: CANADIAN RADIO-TELEVISION AND TELECOM MUNICATIONS COMMISSION V. CANADA (HUMAN RIGHTS TRI BUNAL) (T.D.)
Trial Division, MacKay J.—Ottawa, August 30 and September 17, 1990.
Human rights — Application to quash order excluding CRTC's designated representative from Human Rights Tri bunal hearing of complaint of discrimination until after testi fies — Subpoenaed as witness — Application allowed as contrary to Canadian Human Rights Act, s. 50(l) assuring right of parties to present evidence and make representations — Corporate or statutory body can be represented and instruct counsel only by natural person — Choice of representative should not be fettered by possibility may be witness Application to quash exclusion order relating to employee whose conduct giving rise to complaint dismissed — Tribu nal's function not to punish, but remedial — As order directed only to CRTC as only named respondent, natural justice principles, duty of fairness not violated.
Constitutional law — Charter of Rights — Life, liberty and security — Application to quash order excluding CRTC employee whose conduct giving rise to complaint of discrimi nation from Human Rights Tribunal hearing until after testi fies — As CRTC only named respondent, Tribunal's order directed to it alone — Personal trauma due to Tribunal's proceedings not deprivation of security of person contrary to Charter, s. 7.
Bill of Rights — Exclusion of CRTC employee whose conduct giving rise to complaint of discrimination from Human Rights Tribunal hearing until after testifies not depri vation of right to fair hearing in accordance with principles of fundamental justice contrary to Canadian Bill of Rights, s. 2(e) — Not named respondent nor yet granted interested party
status — No greater standing to respond to accusations or alleged facts than any other witness.
Practice — Evidence — Human Rights Tribunal hearing — CRTC employee, whose conduct provoking discrimination complaint and CRTC officer instructing counsel excluded until having testified — Order quashed as to latter, affirmed
as to employee Whether Tribunal's discretion to exclude witnesses extending to persons in question — Purpose of
witness exclusion — Credibility Reference to Evidence textbooks, rules of civil procedure and statute law in various jurisdictions — Tribunal would carefully consider weight given testimony of non-excluded witness — In selecting person to instruct counsel, agency must realize testimony may be discounted.
This was an application to quash an order excluding Joseph Horan, Director General, Personnel of the CRTC and Brien Rodger, the employee of the CRTC, whose conduct had given rise to the complaint of discrimination, from the Human Rights Tribunal's hearing until after they had testified. As his respon sibilities included the matters in issue, and he had instructed counsel prior to the inquiry, Horan was considered by the CRTC as the most appropriate and knowledgeable person to continue instructing counsel and representing it at the inquiry. Although identified by name in the complaint, Rodger was not a party to the inquiry before the Tribunal, and has not yet been granted status as an interested party. Only the CRTC was named as a respondent. Both Horan and Rodger were subpo enaed by the Tribunal as potential witnesses. The CRTC argued that excluding Horan contravened Canadian Human Rights Act, subsection 50(1) and the rules of natural justice. Subsection 50(1) identifies the parties to an inquiry who are to be given notice of the inquiry and a full and ample opportunity to appear, present evidence and make representations. These -submissions were premised on CRTC's right to select who shall represent it to advise and instruct counsel at the hearing, which was portrayed as concomitant with its right to counsel, an essential element of a fair hearing. With respect to Rodger, it was argued that his character and reputation were in issue and his career advancement in the public service would be affected by,the findings of the Tribunal. It was submitted that the rules of natural justice require that he be permitted to hear the accusations against him and to respond. It was further submit ted that the Tribunal proceedings and findings could infringe Rodger's rights under Charter, section 7 which it was said included the right not to be subjected to emotional hurt based on a loss of self-respect or dignity or stigmatization. The respondents submitted that others in the agency's administra tion could represent it and instruct counsel. The issue was whether the Tribunal's discretion to exclude witnesses extends to persons in the situations of Horan and Rodger.
Held, the application should be allowed in part, quashing the order as to Horan, but allowing it to stand as to Rodger.
The exclusion of Horan contravened subsection 50(1) of the Act. A party which is a corporate or statutory body can be represented at a hearing and instruct counsel only through a natural person. Under subsection 50(1), a statutory body is entitled to representation and to instruct counsel at the hearing by the person it chooses to designate. Its opportunity to partici pate in the hearing may not be limited by excluding that designated representative even if he or she is a potential witness. The fact that a person is a potential witness because the complaint falls within his normal responsibilities should not fetter the corporation or agency's selection of a representative for the hearings of a tribunal. This conclusion was supported by the practical aspects of the case. As the responsibility for dealing with the report on the investigation and conciliation process fell to Horan, much of the evidence was known to him. Isolating him from hearing others testify would not provide the same assurance as in the case of other witnesses that his testimony would be free from influence from the evidence before the Tribunal. Where the person designated to instruct counsel is also a potential witness and is exempted from a general exclusion of witnesses, the Tribunal will carefully con sider the weight to be given to his testimony. The risk that the testimony of such a witness will be discounted may be of concern to the agency in selecting a representative to instruct counsel.
Rodger will not be directly affected by any order of the Tribunal because he is not a party. His career advancement depends on other processes of assessment and evaluation. Because no order will be made directed to Rodger and no punishment will be imposed upon him or any remedial action taken against him by order of the Tribunal, there is no violation of the principles of natural justice nor of the duty of fairness. As a prospective witness, he has no greater standing to respond to "accusations" or alleged facts than has any other witness. His inability to hear evidence of any allegations against him before he is called to testify does not deprive him of his right to a fair hearing in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice contrary to paragraph 2(e) of the Canadian Bill of Rights. Nor is Charter, section 7 engaged by the facts. Any trauma Rodger may experience due to the proceedings is a risk of life and not a deprivation of security of his person.
STATUTES AND REGULATIONS JUDICIALLY CONSIDERED
Alberta Rules of Court, Alta. Reg. 390/68, R. 247. Canadian Bill of Rights, S.C. 1960, c. 44, Part I [R.S.C., 1985, Appendix Ill], s. 2(e).
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, being Part I of the Constitution Act, 1982, Schedule B, Canada Act 1982, 1982, c. 11 (U.K.) [R.S.C., 1985, Appendix I1, No. 441. ss. 7, 24(1).
Canadian Human Rights Act, R.S.C., 1985, c. H-6, ss. 49 (as am. by R.S.C., 1985 (1st Supp.), c. 31, s. 66),
50, 52, 53, 54.
Federal Court Act, R.S.C., 1985, c. F-7, s. 18.
Rules of Civil Procedure, O. Reg. 560/84, R. 52.06.
The Saskatchewan Human Rights Code, S.S. 1979,
c. S-24.1.
CASES JUDICIALLY CONSIDERED
APPLIED:
Fishing Vessel Owners' Assn. of B.C. v. A.G. Can. (1985), 1 C.P.C. (2d) 312; 57 N.R. 376 (F.C.A.); Ameri- can Airlines, Inc. v. Canada (Competition Tribunal), [1989] 2 F.C. 88; (1988), 54 D.L.R. (4th) 741; 33 Admin. L.R. 229; 23 C.P.R. (3d) 178; 89 N.R. 241 (C.A.).
DISTINGUISHED:
Kodellas v. Sask. Human Rights Comm., [1989] 5 W.W.R. 1; (1989), 77 Sask. R. 94 (C.A.).
CONSIDERED:
R. v. Morgentaler, [1988] 1 S.C.R. 30; (1988), 63 O.R. (2d) 281; 44 D.L.R. (4th) 385; 37 C.C.C. (3d) 449; 62 C.R. (3d) 1; 31 C.R.R. 1; 82 N.R. 1; 26 O.A.C. l; Homelite, a division of Textron Can. Ltd. v. Cdn. Import Tribunal (1987), 26 Admin. L.R. 126; 15 F.T.R. 10 (F.C.T.D.).
REFERRED TO:
R. v. Rahey, [1987] 1 S.C.R. 588; (1987), 78 N.S.R. (2d) 183; 39 D.L.R. (4th) 481; 193 A.P.R. 183; 33 C.C.C. (3d) 289; 57 C.R. (3d) 289; 75 N.R. 81; Re Alberta Liquor Control Board and A.U.P.E., Loc. 50 (1989), 6 L.A.C. (4th) 252 (Alta.); Re Inland Natural Gas Co. Ltd. and Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Work ers, Local 213 (1985), 22 L.A.C. (3d) 104 (B.C.); Cham berlain v. Aetna Life & Cas. Ins. Co., Tenn., 593 S.W. 2d 661 (S.C., 1980); Lenoir Car Co. v. Smith, 100 Tenn. 127; 42 S.W. 879 (Tenn. S.C., 1897); Robichaud v. Canada (Treasury Board), [1987] 2 S.C.R. 84; (1987), 40 D.L.R. (4th) 577; 87 C.L.L.C. 17,025; 75 N.R. 303.
AUTHORS CITED
Schiff, Stanley Evidence in the Litigation Process, Vol. 1, 3rd ed. Toronto: Carswell Co. Ltd., 1988.
Sopinka, John & Lederman, Sidney N. The Law of Evidence in Civil Cases, Toronto: Butterworths, 1974.
Wigmore, John Henry Evidence in Trials at Common Law, Vol. 6, rev. by James H. Chadbourn. Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1976.
COUNSEL:
Russell G. Juriansz and Avrum Cohen for applicants.
Stephen B. Acker and Mundy McLaughlin for respondent Canadian Human Rights Commission.
Michael W. Swinwood for complainant Rich- ard Deegan.
No one appearing for Human Rights Tri bunal.
SOLICITORS:
Blake, Cassels & Graydon, Toronto for applicants.
Johnston & Buchan, Ottawa, for respondent Canadian Human Rights Commission.
Lang, Michener, Lawrence & Shaw, Ottawa, for complainant.
The following are the reasons for order ren dered in English by
MACKAY J.: This is an application pursuant to section 18 of the Federal Court Act, R.S.C., 1985, c. F-7, for orders in the nature of certiorari, prohibition and mandamus in relation to a deci sion of the respondent Human Rights Tribunal which excluded certain persons subpoenaed as wit nesses from being present in the hearing room during an inquiry by the Tribunal into an allega tion of discrimination. The persons excluded from the hearing, whose attendance the orders sought would permit, were Joseph Horan, the Director General, Personnel, of the applicant Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Com mission ("CRTC") who had been designated by the agency to instruct counsel on its behalf, and Brien Rodger, an employee of the CRTC, whose conduct had given rise to a complaint. The com plaint, alleging discrimination on the basis of a disability, was made to the Canadian Human Rights Commission under the Canadian Human Rights Act, R.S.C., 1985, c. H-6, by the respond ent Richard Deegan.
At the hearing of this matter the applicants CRTC and Rodger were both represented by counsel, the respondents Deegan and the Canadian Human Rights Commission were separately repre sented by counsel and the respondents named as a Human Rights Tribunal were not represented.
The application seeks an order in the nature of certiorari and prohibition quashing the decision of the Tribunal made June 18, 1990, excluding the CRTC's representative and Rodger from the hear ing room, and prohibiting the Tribunal from con tinuing with the inquiry until those persons are permitted to be present. The application also seeks an order in the nature of mandamus directing the Tribunal to permit the CRTC's representative and Brien Rodger to be present during the inquiry. Also sought are orders directing the Tribunal to conduct the inquiry in accordance with the rules of natural justice and the requirements of fundamen tal justice as guaranteed by paragraph 2(e) of the Canadian Bill of Rights, S.C. 1960, c. 44, Part I, as amended (R.S.C., 1985, Appendix III) and finally, in relation to Rodger, an order pursuant to subsection 24(1) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms [being Part I of the Consti tution Act, 1982, Schedule B, Canada Act 1982, 1982, c. 11 (U.K.) [R.S.C., 1985, Appendix II, No. 44] ] directing that the Tribunal conduct the inquiry in accordance with his right to fundamen tal justice as guaranteed by section 7 of the Charter.
Grounds for the motion are that the Tribunal erred in law, breached the rules of natural justice, infringed the applicants' rights to fundamental justice as guaranteed by paragraph 2(e) of the Canadian Bill of Rights, and infringed the right of Brien Rodger to fundamental justice as guaran teed by section 7 of the Charter, and exceeded its jurisdiction by ordering the exclusion of CRTC's representative and Brien Rodger from the hearing.
Background
The Tribunal was appointed to inquire into a complaint by Deegan, an employee of CRTC, alleging that he was discriminated against on the basis of a disability. The complaint relates specifi cally to the conduct of his supervisor, Brien Rodger, whose name appears in the body of the complaint, although the complaint names only the agency, CRTC, as respondent.
Horan is the Senior Manager responsible for Personnel Management and Policy within the
CRTC. His responsibilities include the matters in issue before the Tribunal and he had instructed counsel for the CRTC prior to the inquiry. He was considered by the CRTC as the most appropriate and knowledgeable person to continue instructing counsel and representing the CRTC at the inquiry.
The complainant Deegan is said not to agree that the allegations of discrimination are based entirely on the actions of the applicant Rodger. Apparently some concern on the part of Deegan, and perhaps also the respondent Commission, arises about conduct of Horan from the course of investigation conducted by the Commission into the allegation of discrimination.
The statutory process for investigation of a com plaint and for efforts to settle it were followed in relation to Deegan's complaint but were not suc cessful in resolving the matter. Ultimately the Tribunal was constituted pursuant to section 49 [as am. by R.S.C., 1985 (1st Supp.), c. 31, s. 66] of the Canadian Human Rights Act to consider the complaint. When counsel for the CRTC declined to indicate whether or not he would call Messrs. Horan and Rodger as witnesses at the inquiry, each of them was subpoenaed by the Tri bunal at the request of the respondent Commis sion. Then counsel for the Commission declined in advance of the hearing to undertake that either would be called as a witness. At the outset of the inquiry on June 18, 1990, counsel for the respond ent Commission asked for an order excluding wit nesses, a request supported by counsel for the complainant. Counsel for the CRTC agreed with the request but proposed that Messrs. Horan and Rodger and the complainant Deegan be exempted from the order. Exemption of Messrs. Horan and Rodger was then opposed by counsel for the Com mission and counsel for Deegan.
After hearing argument on the matter the Tri bunal decided that witnesses, including Messrs. Horan and, Rodger, are to be excluded from the hearing until after they have given testimony, if they should be called to do so. Much of the argument before the Tribunal related to the application of the proposed order to Horan who, as senior personnel officer of the CRTC, had advised management in the matter and had instructed
counsel in preparation for the hearing. Argument was also made for the attendance of Rodger on the ground that fundamental justice requires a person to hear what is said against him and be given an opportunity to defend himself. The essential issue and the decision was stated by the Chairman of the Tribunal in the following terms:
So we have a collision here between the right to be present and hear what's going on and the ability to have a Hearing that gets as close to the truth as possible by the general Rules of Evidence. (Transcript, Tribunal hearing, p. 15.)
Later, the Chairman said:
... we are in agreement that the ability to get at the truth, the facts, without the risks of the persons being here takes priority from our point of view, and so we would exclude both Mr. Horan and Mr. Rodger until they give testimony .... we do feel it is important that they be excluded and we would exclude everyone except Mr. Deegan himself before they give evidence. (Transcript, Tribunal hearing, p. 17.)
The CRTC then moved for an adjournment to challenge that decision of the Tribunal in this Court, an adjournment granted by the Tribunal when counsel for the CRTC indicated he objected to further proceeding until this preliminary issue is resolved.
The Tribunal and the Exclusion of Witnesses
Under the Canadian Human Rights Act a tri bunal, when constituted, has certain powers and responsibilities. These include, in relation to its inquiry into the complaint, the responsibility to provide notice to parties who shall then have op portunity to appear before the tribunal, present evidence and make representations to it; the power to summon and enforce the attendance of wit nesses and to compel oral or written evidence on oath in the same manner as a superior court of record, and to receive and accept evidence and information as the tribunal sees fit (subsections 50(1) and (2)). The tribunal shall conduct a public hearing but may exclude members of the public if that is in the public interest (section 52). At the conclusion of its inquiry the tribunal may dismiss the complaint, or if it finds the complaint is sub stantiated it may make an order for redress within the terms set by statute (sections 53 and 54).
In the hearing on this application there was no argument about the general authority of the Tri bunal to establish its own procedures so far as those are not specified by the Act. The general principle that tribunals are masters of their own procedures is now well settled, in accord with the principle stated by Mr. Justice Addy in Fishing Vessel Owners' Assn. of B.C. v. A.G. Can. (1985), 1 C.P.C. (2d) 312 (F.C.A.) at page 319 and reaffirmed in American Airlines, Inc. v. Canada (Competition Tribunal), [1989] 2 F.C. 88 (C.A.), at page 95:
Every tribunal has the fundamental power to control its own procedure in order to ensure that justice is done. This, however, is subject to any limitations or provisions imposed on it by the law generally, by statute or by the rules of the Court. [Empha- sis added by lacobucci C.J.]
In the hearing of this application there was also no argument about the discretion of the Human Rights Tribunal to exclude witnesses generally from its hearing prior to them being called to testify. The only issue is whether that discretion extends to the exclusion of the persons whose attendance this application would seek to permit. The applicants here submit that under the provi sions of the enabling statute or the general law the discretion of the Tribunal to exclude witnesses does not extend to the exclusion of Messrs. Horan and Rodger. Each of their situations and the argu ments addressed concerning them will be con sidered in turn.
The discretion to exclude witnesses has long been recognized in the courts either under the common law, by statute or by rules of the courts themselves. The procedure is designed to ensure that the hearing body has the best opportunity for hearing the evidence of individual witnesses with out influence upon their testimony which the hear ing of others' testimony might introduce, either by suggestion as to the shaping of testimony to most effectively counter opposing witnesses, or of shap ing testimony to correspond with that of earlier witnesses on the same side of a case. The practice
is particularly relied upon where credibility is an issue.'
In some jurisdictions rules of court or statute permit discretion in civil cases to exclude parties who are prospective witnesses (see, e.g. Alberta Rules of Court [Alta. Reg. 390/68] Rule 247). In other jurisdictions parties may not be excluded even if they are to be witnesses (see e.g. Rules of Civil Procedure, [O. Reg. 560/84], of Ontario, Rule 52.06). In the case of other jurisdictions and many administrative tribunals, the matter is simply left for discretion, subject to applicable general law. Where a witness, even one who is a party, is exempt from a ruling excluding witnesses generally or is in attendance by inadvertence despite such a ruling, and is only called to testify after hearing the testimony of others, the court or tribunal will carefully consider what weight to give to his or her evidence. Moreover, the hearing body may be interested to have such a witness called first among those to testify on behalf of a party.
In this case, it is apparent that the Tribunal concluded that all prospective witnesses, other than the complainant, should be excluded, among them Messrs. Horan and Rodger, even though the former was present to advise and instruct counsel on behalf of the CRTC. Its decision was based upon its concern to have the best opportunity to determine facts from the testimony of individual witnesses unaffected by that offered by others.
Exclusion of the representative of CRTC, Mr. Horan
On behalf of CRTC it is submitted that the discretion of the Tribunal to exclude witnesses generally does not extend to exclude Mr. Horan, even though he is a potential witness, since he was designated by the agency as its representative to
' See generally, Wigmore, Evidence in Trials at Common Law, Vol. 6 (Chadbourn ed. rev., 1976) c. 63; Sopinka & Lederman, The Law of Evidence in Civil Cases (1974), at p. 461; Schiff, Evidence in the Litigation Process (1988, 3rd ed.), at p. 55.
advise and instruct counsel in preparation for and at the hearing by the Tribunal. It is urged that excluding him would contravene subsection 50(1) of the Canadian Human Rights Act, and that aside from statutory limitations it would be con trary to the rules of natural justice.
These submissions are premised on CRTC's right to select who shall represent it to advise and instruct counsel at the hearing. That right is por trayed as concomitant with its right to counsel, an element essential to a fair hearing.
The respondents do not concede the identifica tion of Horan with the CRTC as one and the same for purposes of the hearing. They submit that others in the agency's administration, including "house counsel", who was present at the hearing as co-counsel for CRTC, could represent the agency and instruct counsel. They do not agree that exclu sion of Horan as a prospective witness constitutes exclusion of CRTC as a party. They submit that the discretion of the Tribunal does extend to the exclusion of Horan despite his presence to instruct counsel. They rely on the decision of my colleague Mr. Justice Strayer in Homelite, a division of Textron Can. Ltd. v. Cdn. Import Tribunal (1987), 26 Admin. L.R. 126 (F.C.T.D.) where he declined to intervene to upset a decision not to exclude witnesses made by another tribunal and submit that this Court should not here intervene in relation to the discretion exercised by the Human Rights Tribunal.
The exclusion as a potential witness of the person designated by a corporation or an agency to represent it and instruct counsel at a hearing where the corporation or agency is a party may well be unusual. The applicants suggest that such a person is exempt from a general exclusion order as a matter of general practice, referring to what appears as general practice in labour arbitration
proceedings,' to the Ontario Rules of Civil Proce dure, Rule 52.06(2) which now precludes exclu sion of such a person, and by reference to jurispru dence of Tennessee though I note that in these cases statutory provisions specifically precluded the exclusion of the person designated to instruct counsel.' On the other hand, one would assume that in jurisdictions where the rules of court or statutes provide for discretion to exclude witnesses, including parties who are potential witnesses, it is implicit that one designated by a corporate or other body to instruct counsel may also be exclud ed as the party's representative if he or she also is a potential witness. From this I simply conclude that there is no generally recognized rule one can readily turn to as a limitation on the discretion of a tribunal.
When one turns to the statute creating the tribunal in this case, a key provision is subsection 50(1) of the Canadian Human Rights Act, which provides:
50. (1) A Tribunal shall, after due notice to the Commis sion, the complainant, the person against whom the complaint was made and, at the discretion of the Tribunal, any other interested party, inquire into the complaint in respect of which it was appointed and shall give all parties to whom notice has been given a full and ample opportunity, in person or through counsel, to appear before the Tribunal, present evidence and make representations to it.
This provision identifies the parties to an inquiry as the Canadian Human Rights Commission, the complainant, the person against whom the com plaint was made, in this case the CRTC, and "at the discretion of the Tribunal, any other interested party". Each of these parties is to be given due notice of the inquiry and "a full and ample oppor tunity, in person or through counsel, to appear before the Tribunal, present evidence and make representations to it." How is this opportunity to be provided in the circumstances of this case and with reference to Mr. Horan? The decision of Chief Justice Iacobucci in American Airlines, Inc.
2 See, e.g., Re Alberta Liquor Control Board and A.U.P.E., Loc. 50 (1989), 6 L.A.C. (4th) 252 (Alta.); Re Inland Natural Gas Co. Ltd. and Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Local 213 (1985), 22 L.A.C. (3d) 104 (B.C.).
3 See, Chamberlain v. Aetna Life & Cas. Ins. Co., Tenn., 593 S.W. 2d 661 (S.C., 1980); and Lenoir Car Co. v. Smith, WO Tenn. 127; 42 S.W. 879 (Tenn. S.C., 1897).
v. Canada (Competition Tribunal), supra, at pages 96-97 is instructive. There, dealing with subsection 9(3) of the Competition Tribunal Act [S.C. 1986, c. 26] which allowed persons to intervene with leave of the Competition Tribunal "to make representations relevant to [the] proceedings in respect of any matter that affects that person", the Chief Justice said:
To ascertain the meaning of the words in the section one should look not only at the dictionary definition and the context but also at the nature of the matters being dealt with in the action as well as the overall objectives of the underlying legislation.
In The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, "representation" is stated to mean, among other things, the following, which I find applicable to subsection 9(3):
A formal and serious statement of facts, reasons or argu ments, made with a view to effecting some change, prevent ing some action, etc. ...[Emphasis added by C.J.]
The function of the Tribunal in this case is to conduct an inquiry into a complaint of discrimina tion through a hearing which is generally open and public, to find facts, to draw its conclusions and if it finds the complaint is substantiated to order action that will end the discriminatory practice and provide redress to the complainant. Its func tion is not to impose punishment, rather it is, in the context of a remedial statute, in the broadest sense to educate and to lead to change in conduct, if not in attitudes, and to provide a remedy where a complaint is substantiated. 4
In this context the Act provides that parties as designated by statute, or recognized as interested parties by the Tribunal, are to have "full and ample opportunity, in person or through counsel, to appear before the Tribunal, present evidence and make representations to it." The opportunity to present evidence and make representations implies, as I see it, the necessity to know the evidence and representations of others in order to respond with relevancy in the context of the hear ing conducted by the Tribunal. That means the parties to a complaint should be free to attend and
See comments of Mr. Justice La Forest in Robichaud v. Canada (Treasury Board), [1987] 2 S.C.R. 84, at pp. 94-95.
hear the evidence presented and without their consent should not be excluded under a general order excluding witnesses whether they represent themselves or are represented by counsel whose effectiveness should not be limited by the exclusion as a potential witness of a party who alone can instruct counsel. I am satisfied that if the person against whom a complaint is made under the Act is an individual, that person could not be excluded from the hearing on grounds that he or she is a potential witness. Excluding that person would, in my view, be contrary to subsection 50(1) of the Act. It would also, in my view, conflict with the duty of fairness of the Tribunal in conducting its inquiry.
Yet it is argued that CRTC, not a natural person, may have the person it has selected to represent it and to instruct counsel excluded where that representative is a potential witness. I am not persuaded that this is the case by argument that others might have been selected by CRTC to represent it, or might now be selected to replace Mr. Horan. This surely is a question for CRTC, not for the Tribunal or for this Court.
Where a party is a corporate or statutory body it can only be represented at the hearing and can only instruct counsel by a natural person who for all intents and purposes at the inquiry is deemed to represent the corporate or statutory body. If that body is not free to select its representative as it sees fit, then the person who stands in at the hearing and whose presence is primarily to instruct counsel may not have the full confidence of those responsible for the corporate or statutory body. That surely is the basis on which a body selects its representative and is the key to accepting the representative named as the person with the re sponsibility assigned by the corporation, or in this case CRTC, to instruct counsel on its behalf. In my view, under subsection 50(1) of the Act, a statutory body, here CRTC, is entitled to represen tation and to instruct counsel at the hearing of the Tribunal by the person designated by that statu tory body, CRTC, and its opportunity to partici pate in the hearing as assured by subsection 50(1)
may not be limited by excluding that designated representative even though he or she may be a potential witness.
I find some support for this conclusion in practi cal aspects of the issue as presented here. It seems to me that in many cases of tribunals concerned with complaints or grievances arising in an employment relationship, the senior personnel administrator of a corporate or statutory body may well be the logical person to represent and instruct counsel on behalf of that body, and at the same time he or she is likely to be a potential witness if the complaint or grievance falls within his or her overall everyday responsibilities. The latter cir cumstance should not fetter the selection by the corporation or the agency of its representative for the hearings of a tribunal under the Canadian Human Rights Act. In this particular case, on the basis of representations of counsel for Mr. Deegan, it is my understanding that the investigation and conciliation process provided by the Act was com pleted before appointment of the Tribunal. A full report of the investigation was provided by the respondent Commission to CRTC and the latter responded in full to that report. I assume that responsibility for dealing with that report within CRTC fell largely to Mr. Horan as Director Gen eral, Personnel, and that he is already familiar with general and specific aspects of the complaint that is the subject of the inquiry, if not with how those may be presented to the Tribunal. It would be very unusual if much of the evidence to be presented would be a surprise to him. Isolating him from hearing others by exclusion before his own testimony is called, if it is to be, would not at this stage provide the same assurance as for other witnesses, that his testimony is free from influence from the evidence before the Tribunal, which is the purpose of the exclusion of potential witnesses.
There is one consideration to be emphasized. Where, as in this case, the person designated by
the agency, CRTC, to instruct counsel is also a potential witness and is exempted from a general ruling to exclude witnesses, his or her presence during testimony of others necessarily results in a careful weighing by the Tribunal of the weight to be given to testimony of the representative when called. It may be of concern or interest to the agency, CRTC, in considering the choice of its representative to instruct counsel that if its repre sentative is a potential witness there is a risk that weight of any testimony he or she gives will be discounted by the Tribunal unless by consent the representative agrees to be excluded with other potential witnesses under a general exclusion order.
I conclude, on the construction of subsection 50(1) of the Act that the discretion of the Tribunal to exclude witnesses from its hearing before they are called to testify does not extend to include the person designated by CRTC to represent it and to instruct counsel at the hearing, in this case Mr. Horan.
Exclusion of Mr. Rodger
The applicant Rodger is not a party to the inquiry before the Tribunal. Counsel indicated that application may be made to the Tribunal on behalf of Rodger for standing as an interested party within the terms of subsection 50(1). It is submitted that while not a named respondent, Rodger is the individual against whose actions the complaint is directed and the person who will be affected by any adverse finding. His character and reputation are said to be in issue and "his career advancement in the public service would be affect ed by the findings of the Tribunal". It is submitted that a person identified by name in a human rights complaint is "an interested party" within the meaning of section 50 of the Canadian Human Rights Act.
The latter submission and a decision on an application for standing are matters entirely within the discretion of the Tribunal under subsection 50(1) as I interpret that provision, subject to the limitation that any person who may be directly
affected by any potential order made, if the com plaint is substantiated, should be deemed an inter ested party. Then, as any other interested party within that subsection, a person with that standing should have opportunity to appear, present evi dence and make representations to the Tribunal. Those circumstances do not apply to Mr. Rodger. He will not be directly affected if the complaint is found to be substantiated and an order for remedy made. That order will be directed only to the CRTC, the named respondent to the complaint, which is the agency responsible for the conduct of all of its staff in relation to employer-employee relations, the general field in which the complaint here arises.
It is said that Rodger's character and reputation are in issue and his career advancement in the public service would be affected by the findings of the Tribunal. No order of the Tribunal can direct ly affect Rodger nor can it directly affect his career advancement in the public service; that advancement depends on other processes of assess ment and evaluation with opportunity for record ing dissent, questioning, grieving or appealing decisions. Because no order will be made directed to Rodger and no punishment will be imposed upon him or any remedial action taken against him by order of the Tribunal, I am not persuaded that other grounds urged on his behalf warrant any limitation of discretion on the part of the Tribunal to exclude him as a witness prior to his giving testimony.
It is submitted that the rules of natural justice here dictate that he ought to be permitted to hear the accusations against him and to properly respond to them if necessary and where appropri ate, to advise his counsel as to possible cross- examination of the complainant and his witnesses. I assume that only if granted status as an interest ed party will he have opportunity to be represented by counsel. Otherwise he will continue status simply as a prospective witness. While I can appreciate sensitivity to complaints about one's actions where discrimination is alleged, those com plaints if substantiated lead to remedial action rather than punishment, and in this case such
action would be required of CRTC. Rodger's status as a potential witness before the Tribunal gives him no greater standing to respond to "accu- sations" or alleged facts than any other witness. His exclusion from the hearing until called to testify does not violate principles of natural justice, or any duty of fairness owed to him by the Tri bunal. For essentially the same reasons I am not persuaded that Rodger's inability to hear evidence of any allegations against him before he is called to testify does deprive him, as counsel submitted, of his right to a fair hearing in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice contrary to para graph 2(e) of the Canadian Bill of Rights.'
It is further submitted that the Tribunal pro ceedings and findings are capable of creating an infringement upon the rights of Mr. Rodger under section 7 of the Charter' which it is said includes the right not to be subjected to emotional hurt based on a loss of self-respect or dignity or stig- matization. I am not persuaded that section 7 of the Charter is engaged by the facts of this case. Counsel relies upon Kodellas v. Sask. Human Rights Comm., [1989] 5 W.W.R. 1 (Sask. C.A.), at pages 40-41 and R. v. Morgentaler, [1988] 1 S.C.R. 30, at page 173. In Kodellas reference is made by Vancise J.A. to section 7 of the Charter, and the opinion of Mr. Chief Justice Lamer, as he now is, in R. v. Rahey, [1987] 1 S.C.R. 588, at page 605, to find that anxiety, damage to dignity
5 This provision of the Canadian Bill of Rights is as follows:
2. Every law of Canada shall, unless it is expressly declared by an Act of the Parliament of Canada that it shall operate notwithstanding the Canadian Bill of Rights, be so construed and applied as not to abrogate, abridge or infringe or to authorize the abrogation, abridgment or infringement of any of the rights or freedoms herein recognized and declared, and in particular, no law of Canada shall be construed or applied so as to
(e) deprive a person of the right to a fair hearing in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice for the determination of his rights and obligations;
6 This provision of the Charter is as follows:
7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.
and self-esteem could be a deprivation of the secu rity of the person as contemplated by section 7 of the Charter. However, that was a case arising under The Saskatchewan Human Rights Code [S.S. 1979, c. S-24.1] where the respondent was a named individual and the issue was whether delay in proceeding with a complaint before a tribunal violated rights under section 7 of the Charter. In this case, no complaint is laid against Mr. Rodger in the sense that he is not the respondent to the complaint and is not subject to any order the Tribunal may ultimately make. In R. v. Morgen- taler Madame Justice Wilson at page 173 refers to section 7 of the Charter as including both physical and psychological integrity of the individual. While proceedings before the Tribunal may present great difficulty for Mr. Rodger personally, the outcome of those proceedings has no possibility of any punishment or remedial order being made against him. Any personal trauma he may experi ence from the proceedings is simply one of the risks of life and does not constitute a deprivation of security to his person assured by section 7 of the Charter.
Conclusion
For these reasons I conclude that the application is allowed in part, quashing the order of the Tri bunal in so far as it applies to the named repre sentative of CRTC, Mr. Horan, to exclude him from the hearing prior to his being called to give testimony, if he should be called, and an order directing the Tribunal to permit CRTC's repre sentative, if it continues to be Horan, to be present throughout the inquiry hearing. The application so far as it concerns the decision of the Tribunal in relation to Mr. Rodger is dismissed. No order of prohibition seems appropriate since the Tribunal has adjourned pending this decision. Nor are orders appropriate that would direct the Tribunal to conduct its inquiry in accord with the Act, with the rules of natural justice and the requirements of fundamental justice as guaranteed by paragraph 2(e) of the Canadian Bill of Rights.
An order will go to this effect.
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